Sunday, June 6, 2010

Is Modern Better? A Response to a Comment Part II

The following is a response to a comment left on Is Modern Better? - A Response to a Comment

KCTeenCenter,

This will be the last comment I will respond to. Ultimately, you have your own beliefs and I have mine. I am not attempting, nor have ever tried, to change your mind about the KJV, and you will never convince me to go against the prompting of the Spirit and my own personal experiences with both translations, so any further discussions will be futile and a waste. But because you have stopped by to share your concerns about the KJV, I am compelled to point out fact from fiction as well as answer some of your questions…

You say…

"I have to stop and think ok how would this be today or what was he trying to say it bothers me"

Please do speak for yourself. Your issues are not mine. I, as well as many others, can read the KJV and understand the language just fine. In instances where a word may not clear, or may need to be expounded upon, I refer to the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon. You have mentioned in your original comment as well, that the KJV was difficult for you to read/understand because of the language. If this is true, how can you personally declare the KJV full of errors if you have difficulty reading it?

Or are you simply reiterating theologies & philosophies of another?
History may be a fact of happenstance, but is not proof. Multiple manuscripts vs. single manuscripts may be a fact of happenstance, but it is not proof. Modern language is a fact of happenstance. Whether it is better in relaying the principles of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an opinion, relative to the experience of an individual...and is NOT proof.

What IS proof are the end results of the translations itself. Taking a lesson from Christ Himself... Luke 6

44  “For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.”

In other words, proof is in the pudding... the end result of a "product". If I make a pie with cherries and declare it an apple pie, it is obvious by tasting it; it is, in fact, a cherry pie.

Once again, I have read/studied out of the NLT for YEARS and loved it, but when it came to wholesome (books/chapter) reading, in all of its simplicity and modern-ability, principles lacked cohesiveness that caused confusion. It was with the KJV, by comparison of BOTH translations, that shone through and provided that cohesiveness that was lacking. It is by THIS reason ONLY, I have switched translations...not because someone else told me I should, or because I believe in and espouse beliefs & theories of another. This is my testimony, one that I sought out the LORD for help, guidance, and understanding and was led of Him.

Why is that so difficult to understand? To seek Him and to be led of His Spirit? Why is that offensive? Lastly, why does my testimony give me a label of KJV Onlyism?

I have never heard of the term until now. What I thought might have been a typo on your part, was an actual subject discovered when I was led to Google the term. Lo and behold, I found links upon links of KJV Onlyism.
When have I declared the KJV inerrant? When have I declared it is the only translation to be read of?

“Jesus did not speak 16th century English. So why on earth everyone thinks that is the bible we should use is beyond me”

He spoke Hebrew, Greek and possible Aramaic. I’m pretty positive He would have spoken 16th century English if that was the time and place the Heavenly Father chose for Him. Maybe you shouldn’t limit your thinking to earthly things. Is God not an all powerful God, who transcends time and distance with His (Holy) Spirit? Of whom He is willing to give to those who would believe on His Son?

"Why is it always the KJV that everyone says is correct? Who says so?"

My dear...you have me, and this blog, confused for a debate forum. I could give 2 figs about the "debate" and its involved theories about the KJV and modern translations. The varying theories presented by opposing sides bore me to tears. I am not compelled to delve myself into man-made ideals as they are flawed and divisive.  So I cannot answer you what "everyone says". I know what the Spirit has taught and shown me.

"Could be a number of reasons but I firmly believe God uses many translations to teach us."

Really?? You could have fooled me. I got the distinct impression that you believe that "many of the ideas and things conveyed in KJV are wrong". Or do mean to say you firmly believe that God uses many translations, except the KJV to teach us?....I'm confused….if the latter is true, then God has been put in a box and limited only to the understanding of humanistic understanding and thoughts. The God I worship and know can use ALL things, good, evil, weak, powerful etc. for His Glory!

You go on to say "because the translators were trying to convey what they were reading into something modern at the time".

Is that principle not also applicable to these times as well? Being "much more qualified" as a translator doesn't mean a "more qualified" translator cannot have hidden motives and agenda just as you believe the KJV is filled with the church of England's beliefs.

Or do you believe that translators of our time are simply more "righteous" than those of old? To believe as such is to ignore 3 glaring discrepancies of our time.

1. Christianity is divided beyond recognition. Translators hail from varying denominations and doctrinal teaching which often conflicts with each other and sound doctrine.

2. Christianity has become politically involved. Evangelism has come to mean legislation. Translators can be politically inclined or persuaded.

3. Christianity has become capitalistically inclined. Translators can undoubtedly be motivated by money in some shape or form.

Why would it be wrong for me to encourage others to research the motives of publishers/translators of this time? Should they research the KJV? Absolutely! Should they do a biblical comparison? Undoubtedly! I sure did and have made my choice. What a Believer should NEVER do is to take someone (man) else’s word for truth.

What a valuable resource the blood of Christ gives us! Reconciliation with the Father! An intimate relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Why should a Believer accept flawed theories, ideas of man and not ask the CREATOR of man for wisdom and understanding for their own personal verification?  Why in Heaven a Believer/Christian takes another’s word, while ignoring this phenomenon is beyond me!

“I will never understand why everyone thinks that the KJV is more accurate when its been proven its not. People who study this stuff I would think know more then then the rest of us.”

I don’t know what “proof” you’re referring to. Something someone else said?  I have my own personal experience to draw upon.

Why do you concern yourself with “everyone” else? You would do well to focus on your own relationship with the Lord. If the NLT works for you, then by all means stay with the NLT. You take away from your growth in Him by attempting to understand the thinking of others, when you should be attempting to understand the Wisdom of God.

I find your last statement, ironic at best. I certainly don’t see you sharing scripture and your knowledge of God. What you have done in both of your comments is espouse history and theories without sharing personal testimony. If you have questions about my “knowledge” or proof of my understanding of (KJV) scripture, please do take a look at my other posts. This blog has been up since 2007 and I have been sharing “confessions” since then. 

All in all, I do wish you the best in your quest for understanding the Wisdom of the Lord and your relationship with Him. May He bless and keep you.

Hannah 

2 comments:

  1. Hi Hannah,

    I have found your comments, on this subject, to be the most spoken in love, ive seen, around.

    i have read a lot on this subject and i believe it has been used against me to take me away from my relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

    I would read one comment and think, RIGHT ITS KJV FROM NOW ON!, then read another and think, RIGHT ITS A NEW VERSION FROM NOW ON! like you said totally swayed by the opinions of man, or tossed to and fro like the waves!

    What i have not seen on this subject is what you have been saying throughout, To SEEK THE LORD, we should always seek the Lord ALWAYS, he has all the answers and all the Life and all the Truth.

    What ive found is that we can make our minds up as i have done before then found out later i was wrong, mostly upon the Lords Revelation, He does that a lot if you are willing, he will bring perhaps some self righteuosness out of you to repent of or to follow, but if you want him and to get closer to him then you will see the filthy parts of your soul as you draw nearer and repent.

    I went and bought a parallel bible with KJV,NKJV,NIV and NLT in it, it is very good but i believe i bought it thinking now i cant go wrong and not on the Lord's leading and the Lord will only harden your heart more if its self righteousness you want rather than him, The Lord.

    It is very very good but again as you say we need to be following Jesus and not ourselves of which i have been guilty of so many times.
    but the Lord will take you through that if you want him to keep creating a pure heart in you and changing selfishness in you which a lot of the times we and i have not known was there!

    "The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble and he knows those who trust in him" Nahum 1:7
    so we must trust him and as i have come to, but often its the hard way through many mistakes of following yourself through overzealousness and trying to please him! As you know, only faith pleases him. Heb 11:6.

    I especially liked your comment that Christianity divisions has left the church unrecognisable, so true, so sad but God has a plan and its Jesus we all need, faith in him and following him in spirit as well as his word, doing that we cant go wrong because:-

    "The Lord is with us when we are with him, If you seek him he will be found by you, but if you forsake him he will forsake you"
    2 CHRONICLES 15:2

    Anyway i may have went way off the subject, but i just wanted to share my heart that its Jesus in spirit and truth we follow and above all the greatest commandment that we PRACTISE To Love The Lord Our God With All our Heart, Soul, Mind and Strength and our Neighbour as ourself.

    You could put that at the top of any forum to get us to face Jesus and listen to him, Love our Neighbour as ourself for it sums up the entire law! Gal 5:14, others above ourselves and seek the Lord in that also for we cant do that without him.

    The Lord Bless you and your Family.

    Paul.

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  2. Paul,

    Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and experience!

    You are not alone in this confusing sea of doctrines and translation in this day and age of Christianity.

    Opinions, advice and theories of mankind are like the grains of sand on a beach, anyone can become trapped in it's quicksand.

    And that's the beauty of what Christ's sacrifice does for us... the integrity of the Gospel, liberates us from the quicksand of thoughts and imaginations of our own and others, by giving us His Spirit, in essence His Wisdom, by which we patiently wait and hope for.(1 Corinthians 2)

    And I have seen the manifestation of the Lord in my own life once I dedicated myself to a lifestyle of faith forsaking my own "wisdom" and the "wisdom" of others. I can say with full confidence... I know my God and am known of Him.

    Praise Jesus for such a precious phenomenon!

    Be renewed & strengthened in your faith in Him! In doing so, He will carry you over the beach and unto solid ground!

    Once again, thank you for stopping by and sharing, it refreshes my soul to receive comments that contribute to the truth and integrity of the Gospel. God bless you and yours :)

    Hannah

    "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." - Romans 12:2

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